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dorisday



Joined: 24 Aug 2009
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Location: Wiltshire, Wylye Valley

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the warning.  Don't think I can do it.  Yesterday's vid ruined my day and even this morning while I was doing my crew, my pone yawned and I saw this lovely healthy pink tongue and that awful image flooded back . . .  still can't stop thinking about it.  I went and donated £10 of husband's money to the Brooke and felt a bit better, until husband called me to ask if I'd spent his money cos he was about to report the payment to the fraud team.  I told him why then emailed him the link to that awful video and he emailed me back to say he was almost in tears himself and he'd signed the petition.  And he's really not that horsey . . .
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brucea



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Location: Aberdeen

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horrid.

Have to ask how the horse actually breathes - does not the unnatural head angle obstruct thier windpipe.

I would imagine the horse might get hypoxic? Wouldn't that be dangerous?
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Julie



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The unedited video is 10 mins long, but that clearly was only a small part of that session - I wonder how long that horse was forced into that position for. It must have been in pain. It reminds me of stress positions used by the military as a form of torture. They force a person to hold a position which at first feels ok, but after 20 mins is shear agony.
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cracky



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Location: N.Yorks

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Epona TV state that the session was at least 2 hours long.   Mad

To me there are just so many things wrong on so many levels, in fact I don't see anything nice or right in the vid. There is an article to go with it on the facebook group.
The article has been up dated/changed for this one. http://epona.tv/uk/news/show/artikel/blue-tongue-video-faq/

Another horrid vid showing the disregard of FEI rules. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urhi0eVzQTo&feature=player_embedded
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Julie



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its absolutely shocking. It should be a rule that the noseband is fastened to allow 2 fingers to fit under it - as we were all taught, but some how everyone has forgotten. If it was against the rules to tightly strap the horses mouth shut, it would be able to show its pain clearly and the judges would'nt be able to ignore it.
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SueH



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Location: Gorsedd North Wales

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Personal bug bear - please let's not slip into a discussion of one discipline v another. Every 'discipline' has it's good points and bad points largely determined by the skill and attitude of the rider.  Every discipline has its share of great riders and its share of thugs. Unfortunately.


I dont think anyone would disagree with this.  Interestingly,  the cowboy who showed us loose rein collection was not teaching western riding at the time,  he was teaching about pressure and release and posture - just good training methods......and he was quoting Oliveira.
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Pam K



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad that something finally seems to be happening to try to put a stop to this abuse.  People like Heather Moffett and Sylvia Loch have been speaking out about these methods for years, and demonstrating how to ride correctly, without force.  It's always a joy to watch classically trained riders, so different from most of the modern competition dressage riders.
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cracky



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BHS act!!! Patrick Print has written to Princess Haya at FEI!!! See letter in information section (left hand column) of facebook group page.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php...81093975134&v=wall&ref=nf

Three cheers for BHS I say!!!

Here's a link to Sylvia Loch's site with her letter. http://www.classicalriding.co.uk/...sk=view&id=278&Itemid=289
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly - if the FEI ban this in warm up areas and training events - it will probably still be carried out in the privacy of closed schools with no spectators.  Crying or Very sad  Confused
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stormybracken



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally the BHS have acted in a way I can support.  Having been a member for **years and worked my way through part of the exam system I gave up on them when their teaching and horse management/ care methods become irrelevant to me and my horses.

Brucea's right about the move to abolish this system in public still going on behind closed doors, but it is a start to spreading the message that collection is mind first body second.  Both dressage and show jumping competitions have been suffering from lack of audience numbers, I think eventing is still OK?, and maybe by publicising this one incident so widely it will strike a note with the "officials" of other competitions about common practices in their areas.


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